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# On creativity, uncertainty, and discipline
- URL: https://www.pesec.no/on-creativity-uncertainty-and-discipline/
- Published: 2026-04-23T05:00:04.000Z
- Updated: 2026-04-23T05:00:07.000Z
- Description: A conversation with Oti Jay of the Infinite Dialogues podcast.
- Author: Bruno Pešec
- Tags: Innovation, Discipline

I've recently discussed creativity, uncertainty, and discipline with Oti Jay of the Infinite Dialogues podcast.

We talked about the difference between creativity and discipline, why innovation often fails in established companies, and how leaders can navigate uncertainty without losing clarity or momentum. We also explore the role of failure, organisational fear, and the inner skills required to lead through complexity.

You can listen to the episode [here](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovation-as-discipline-leadership-complexity-profitable/id1861271503?i=1000760679133&ref=pesec.no) or using the player below: